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Graphic Fidelity I Expect Next Gen.
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This is the kind of visual density I'm looking for, for next gen open worlds at least..
But, with bustling streets of pedestrians, cars flying overhead, dynamism and interactivity.
I expect at least a handful of the more focused experiences to far, far surpass this however.
But, with bustling streets of pedestrians, cars flying overhead, dynamism and interactivity.
I expect at least a handful of the more focused experiences to far, far surpass this however.
Put them side by side and you're immediately able to discern which one is CG and which one is the video game. It also helps that AC wasn't rendered at 1080p. My suggestion would be, playing say, and hr of FFVIIr, and then watching AC for free on crackle. The difference becomes more obvious that way. And it genuinely cannot be reiterated just how fucking bad the art direction of AC is.
One is CGI.......
Neither looks like CGI to be honest (left, like old animation / right, like an actual gen game).
RDR2 is a beautiful game, but it's beautiful in the bigger picture, as a result of layering excellent art and using mature technical underpinnings the whole is staggering. But once you start getting close it can really fall apart, compared to some Sony first party stuff it can't compete at that point. I regard it as being very well balanced and -- with exception to the awful PS4 Pro resolution scaling and the botched SDR-HDR -- they did a good job of prioritising visual elements relative to one another.
But yeah, next gen will trounce it..
With much improved visuals and no need to hide loading times, hopefully pre-rendered cutscenes will go the way of the dodo (for the most part); in turn saving even more space in the game image. Will also make for more visually coherent experiences, plus FMV compression sucks.
Days Gone is always overlooked in graphics discussions. The character models and small details and clutter especially in interiors are insane!
Days Gone is always overlooked in graphics discussions. The character models and small details and clutter especially in interiors are insane!
In terms of realism as it pertains to playable character both in and especially, out of cutscenes? Yes, I have honestly not seen any better to date and this definitely comes down to the devs keeping the SSS on at, presumably, all times.
Here are two pure gameplay shots courtesy of Dumbmugi which vividly illustrate that point and bolster yours:
If this look this good on current gen HW, things can only improve on next gen HW.
I 100% agree with you. Very little in Red Dead 2 is actually beyond what other games have done. IQ, textures, character models, animation etc have been done much better in other games. But the overall package is just so goddamn beautiful. I think it's the game with the most beautiful realistic rendering. I can imagine many next gen games looking better on paper but not being stunning and eye wateringly beautiful.
This forum needs an up vote system! Nice post.
It has a few CG cutscenes, but the rest appear to be real-time. You can tell they're real-time because your weapons and equipped materia are visible on the characters.
Pretty cool, I wonder when we will match something like kingsglaive which is more recent.
Infamous still holds up. Sucker Punch are a talented bunch.
More like this gen allowed artists to flex their muscle much more than last gen since huge limitations were lifted. I am confident in saying that the gulf between early gen and late gen games is large but the games are equally pretty to my eye. So if the current generation of hardware allowed for this, imagine next gen when hardware and software tools make a huge leap. It will be a generation more beautiful than ever. This is the benefit of heaving powerful yet balanced machines. Sony, Microsoft and AMD outdid themselves. I can't wait for the beauty of next gen.
Yeah, the gulf is noticeable but it still looks great. And unlike late last gen, games are performing rather well this late in the current cycle.
I struggle to visualise what some of the top studios will achieve next-gen. The hardware at their disposal sounds incredible.
In terms of realism as it pertains to playable character both in and especially, out of cutscenes? Yes, I have honestly not seen any better to date and this definitely comes down to the devs keeping the SSS on at, presumably, all times.
Here are two pure gameplay shots courtesy of Dumbmugi which vividly illustrate that point and bolster yours:
If this look this good on current gen HW, things can only improve on next gen HW.
Days Gone's model looks really nice.
One of SC Alpha (not photo mode nor cutscene involved):
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One of the best looking games ever made imo. The self shadowing foliage too.In terms of realism as it pertains to playable character both in and especially, out of cutscenes? Yes, I have honestly not seen any better to date and this definitely comes down to the devs keeping the SSS on at, presumably, all times.
Here are two pure gameplay shots courtesy of Dumbmugi which vividly illustrate that point and bolster yours:
If this look this good on current gen HW, things can only improve on next gen HW.
Wouldn't that be something. Ratchet and Clank for next gen needs to happen.
lol oh I dunno the fact they threw out CC2's work and started over maybe?
That and games like RDR2 able to do enormous worlds at high fidelity on current generation hardware.
So, nothing except conjecture? RDR is not an apples to apples comparison and we don't have insight into CC2's work.
Level of fidelity is night and day and that's just what's apparent with the naked eye.
S'more current gen footage based around 1.6 Giggles from 8 Condiment Jugs, 1.8 Pterodactyls, 5 Gassy Bards of Rammstein @ 176 Gestation Per Shark:
Days Gone's model looks really nice.
One of SC Alpha (not photo mode nor cutscene involved):
Impressively lit. A pretty good rendition of Gollum.
Mindtaker: That is shifting baseline syndrome. I mean what looks CG like is actually a shifting target. Advent Children looked very impressive visually when it released, and FFVII R does often have a CG like quality in cutscenes, particularly because of the lighting, material work, excellent motion blur, and cinematic camera.
Are development budgets going to increase next gen or will they sort of plateau given the power of the hardware?
Also using RT doesn't have to be very heavy operation, it can be used for thing which are framerate and resolution independent.
It could be used to in vertex shader to fix characters fingers to properly touch a surface.
In the end its just a way for sampling a world.
The game still looks amazing after 6 years! I think Infamous: Second Son graphics are among the most underrated graphics of this generation (I loved the whole game, not only visuals).
I haven't played Days Gone yet (don't like zombie games sadly), but this is one of the most realistic faces I ever seen in video games.
ND have been great at squeezing the HW this gen with one of the best obfuscated LoD system (RDR2 is another gem in this regard):
Shambalakan Indeed, here are a couple more from the same uploader:
Mindtaker That's a really nice snapshot. I am hoping for that kind of fidelity across the board for AAA titles focusing realistic visual aesthetics. With probable usage of some form hybrid RT solution on development end, as seen in games like Control and Metro Exodus, characters in real time can only look better.
Shambalakan Indeed, here are a couple more from the same uploader:
Mindtaker That's a really nice snapshot. I am hoping for that kind of fidelity across the board for AAA titles focusing realistic visual aesthetics. With probable usage of some form hybrid RT solution on development end, as seen in games like Control and Metro Exodus, characters in real time can only look better.
And one is prerendered and not ingameOne is CGI.......
Again, the levels of atmosphere we reached this gen was phenomenal:
Let's look a few pure gameplay shots of Cloud-san's visage under differing lighting conditions from my personal collection:
Let's look a few pure gameplay shots of Cloud-san's visage under differing lighting conditions from my personal collection:
That cloud comparison is not pre-rendered on the right.
Here's another PS4 game
And FF7 remake definitely has better hair, better character textures, better shaders/materials than advent children. Shit the character's face texture is mirrored in the movie!
VS the actual game cutscenes
Here's another PS4 game
And FF7 remake definitely has better hair, better character textures, better shaders/materials than advent children. Shit the character's face texture is mirrored in the movie!
VS the actual game cutscenes
Damn never mind. They're practically the same :O
My mind can't even process what late next gen games would look like
One is CGI.......
Even within FFVIIR I honestly preferred the real time character models over the character models in the prerendered cutscenes. It's hard to explain why, but the characters looked kind of flat and sterile in the prerendered scenes. Yeah, the polygon count was obviously much higher, stuff like hair and cloth moved much more realistically, but I still thought they looked kinda off compared to the real time models. Those have more life and presence.
Damn, I'm still amazed just how good Madagascar looks after 4 years.
Imagine how immersive exploring Night City will be. With CDprojekts attention to detail, and budget..
This is a thread dedicated to next gen tech and graphics, no gameplay talk like that in here, thank you.
Yep, is a drug dealer, and yes, is really impressive for an multiplayer Alpha on a lifelike solar system. That's not even the final tech BTW and need lot of work on other aspects aswell. With that said, it's not on par with Blizzard's cinematics.
The "issue" with FF is that for it cartoonish looking it lacks a lot of details you can see on games or cinematics that approach real life.
I mean, it's a lot easier try to build 3D animation with cartoon aspect than aproximate it to real life like in Uncharted, TLOU, Days Gone, COD, etc.
Talking especific of FFVIIR, and ignoring the amount of bugs on textures and low poly, you can even see in the main character that all materials are not close to CGI level (his shoulder protector or the sword handle for example).
I think next gen will use photogrammetry and photoscan materials for the models and environments. And that mixed with advance illumination techniques will look better than ever. There are examples of that now, it just need capable hardware.
As opposed to those dumdums who rub a cat on their keyboard to make pretty games. What kind of backwards logic is that? You do realize that at some point Ocarina of Time was a graphically high quality game?
Yep, is a drug dealer, and yes, is really impressive for an multiplayer Alpha on a lifelike solar system. That's not even the final tech BTW and need lot of work on other aspects aswell. With that said, it's not on par with Blizzard's cinematics.
The "issue" with FF is that for it cartoonish looking it lacks a lot of details you can see on games or cinematics that approach real life.
I mean, it's a lot easier try to build 3D animation with cartoon aspect than aproximate it to real life like in Uncharted, TLOU, Days Gone, COD, etc.
Talking especific of FFVIIR, and ignoring the amount of bugs on textures and low poly, you can even see in the main character that all materials are not close to CGI level (his shoulder protector or the sword handle for example).
I think next gen will use photogrammetry and photoscan materials for the models and environments. And that mixed with advance illumination techniques will look better than ever. There are examples of that now, it just need capable hardware.
Has this been adressed by Square Enix? Is it a bug or those are the actual textures?
Honestly neither of those clips is impressive.
It's not just worse aesthetics. It's garbo on a technical level.
This movie just looks like garbage. It was also rendered in SD and blown up to HD.
One thing I wonder is if we will soon have animation libraries like we have asset libraries. Like a company specializing in creating great animations for all kinds of animals that you can then put into your engine. I mean let's take a rabbit. A rabbit is a rabbit, if it is put into Red Dead 2 or The Last of Us 2 or whatever. Their movement is the same. I would love to see a company specialize on this kinda work, so that ravens flying away by a gunshot don't look wooden or mismatched with rest of the game.
As graphics approach CG levels, the next big thing will be animation and I don't think it's good practice to have every company designing their own rabbit animations.
As graphics approach CG levels, the next big thing will be animation and I don't think it's good practice to have every company designing their own rabbit animations.
